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RE: how to change default paste behavior - CmykStudent - 07-14-2025
(07-14-2025, 12:48 PM)JibDobFackle Wrote: I created an account on this forum in order to say the following.
1) The change at issue is going to flummox and subsequently irritate _many_ people. Thus, _at the least_, the change ought to be flagged prominently.
2) The workaround proposed by the user 'swod' works. Thank you, swod!
3) Another user wrote: 'we'll be spending a lot of time restoring behaviors from 2.10 that were just missed because other things had to be finished first.' I presume that 'we' here means 'the developers'. I am unsure that this is a good way to proceed with _release_, as against beta, software.
Hi! The problem is that the older pasting behavior *also* flummoxed and irritated many people (a very common complaint was that you couldn't do anything once you pasted something, because people didn't understand how floating selections worked). The new behavior is at least more in line with how other software handles it, and so we're hoping that will (over time) ease the learning curve.
We ended up having three seperate release candidates for GIMP 3, and lots of people gave great feedback that we worked on. However, many other people didn't want to try GIMP until it was officially 3.0 - and it seems those people had different needs/desires than early adopters, meaning we didn't get those reports. We're hoping that with a faster release schedule (less features per release, but more frequent releases), future shocks will be less severe.
RE: how to change default paste behavior - Ofnuts - 07-14-2025
Happens with every new version (remember the Save/export drama?). If you look in this forum, there are also a lot of people confused by the "floating selection", which itself is a carry-over from RAM-constrained times.
RE: how to change default paste behavior - JibDobFackle - 07-14-2025
Dear OfNuts and CmykStudent
Thus then some rationale for the change and - if I understand correctly - for, er, considering adding, later, an option to reverse or mitigate the change.
I refer you both, though, to my point about the least that seems needful.
RE: how to change default paste behavior - CmykStudent - 07-14-2025
JibDobFackle: I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "the least that seems needful".
Regarding the default paste behavior, I imagine it's going to stay as-is. If floating selections are preferred, it's entirely possible to change what Ctrl + V does (as mentioned earlier). We'll continue to improve the UX based on user feedback of course.
It's kind of like the non-destructive filters. Those are a very useful (and *long* requested) feature, but it's definitely been confusing for people use to destructive filters in GIMP 2.10 and below. Part of the issue is due to unimplemented features, and part of that is due to necessary UX improvements we need to make. We're not going to remove the feature since it'd be a step backwards - but we're also working to make it more user friendly for new and longtime GIMP users.
RE: how to change default paste behavior - JibDobFackle - 07-15-2025
(07-14-2025, 07:56 PM)CmykStudent Wrote: JibDobFackle: I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "the least that seems needful".
Regarding the default paste behavior, I imagine it's going to stay as-is. If floating selections are preferred, it's entirely possible to change what Ctrl + V does (as mentioned earlier). We'll continue to improve the UX based on user feedback of course.
It's kind of like the non-destructive filters. Those are a very useful (and *long* requested) feature, but it's definitely been confusing for people use to destructive filters in GIMP 2.10 and below. Part of the issue is due to unimplemented features, and part of that is due to necessary UX improvements we need to make. We're not going to remove the feature since it'd be a step backwards - but we're also working to make it more user friendly for new and longtime GIMP users.
The 'least that seems needful': I wrote, in an earlier post, that confounding changes out to be (as I put it) 'flagged prominently.' To explain: it is bad to do either of the following without explanation: break work-flows; confound the expectations of someone new to the software. So: in the release notes (and/or release announcements), any new behaviour that is liable very much to throw people ought to be mentioned in a way that is hard to miss. Thus - to take the case in point - there should be (and have been) something that every downloader and updater was liable to see that said something like: 'Attention! Pasting no longer works as it used to! For details, see . . ' Something along those lines would have reduced the frustration and then borderline rage that I felt about no long being able to do something that I did all the time in previous versions (or at least no longer being able to do it in the old way; and I was not aware of any instructions about how to do it at all).
RE: how to change default paste behavior - CmykStudent - 07-15-2025
Ah, thanks for the clarification! So, something like this? https://www.gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-3.0.html#workflow-and-short-cuts
The new Welcome Dialogue in 3.0 now has a release notes section as well, which lists major features/changes on start - so going forward, it should hopefully help even if people aren't aware of the release notes when they update. It's an on-going process, but we're trying to improve things in GIMP without leaving people behind if we can.